Asderathos' Blog

12/22/10

Human Tribalism and Cultural Religon

Tribe A worships the Sun,
Tribe B worships the Moon,
but the moon tells Tribe B to be hunters & gatherers,
& the sun tells Tribe A to farm.
It is feasible that they could live together in relative peace; until tribe A grows in population wanting to tame the wilderness for farming, destroying the ways of tribe b, or other civic disagreements rend new dichotomy.

Cultural distinctions must definitively be divisive ones; in that there is disagreement as to what is most agreeable respectively. The nature of Human Tribalism would have, presuming no interference of necessity, cultural divisions become geographical divisions ie borders, distinguishing territories. Of course divisions of labor are not necessarily rooted in cultural Religion.

11/4/10

Asderathos vs Merchan5967! Beck vs King?

Asderathos

"If you think Beck is wrong, prove it rather than making inane assertions"

Merchan5967

Ok, then I will...

The reason I think Glenn Beck is wrong is because he is trying to place himself on the same tier with Martin Luther King. And he asserts that Dr. King was a conservative. But if you know who Dr. King was, the people around him, and his stances on several issues, you would realize that had they been of the same generation, They would be on completely opposite sides of the ideological spectrum. Just look up MLK on Wikipedia (sources on the MLK page are cited) and this fact becomes strikingly obvious.For instance, 3 words Beck always uses when describing progressives or liberals? Socialism, Marxism, Communism. He thinks in very simple terms that capitalism is good and socialism is evil. Now read this from MLK's wikipedia page, agai all sources are cited:

Towards the time of his murder, King more frequently expressed his opposition to the war and his desire to see a redistribution of resources to correct racial and economic injustice.[91] Though his public language was guarded, so as to avoid being linked to communism by his political enemies, in private he sometimes spoke of his support for democratic socialism. In one speech, he stated that "something is wrong with capitalism" and claimed, "There must be a better distribution of wealth, and maybe America must move toward a democratic socialism."[92]

And here's another on that: King had read Marx while at Morehouse, but while he rejected "traditional capitalism," he also rejected Communism because of its "materialistic interpretation of history" that denied religion, its "ethical relativism," and its "political totalitarianism."[93]

And also compare Beck unshakable praise of capitalism to the sintament of Dr. King, who said there was "something WRONG with capitalism". Members of King's inner circle, including one of his early mentors (Bayard Rustin), had former connections with the Communist Party USA, and were supporters of socialism. That doesn't sound all that conservative to me. Beck has also said repeatedly that he believes social justice is wrong; that it's some kind of socialist, communist conspiracy, like the Joseph McCarty wannabe that he is. Well Here's what Dr. King thought about social, particularly, economic justice: King also was opposed to the Vietnam War on the grounds that the war took money and resources that could have been spent on social welfare services like the War on Poverty. The United States Congress was spending more and more on the military and less and less on anti-poverty programs at the same time. He summed up this aspect by saying, "A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death".[85]

How "conservative" does Dr. King sound to you now? As I have just irrevokably proven to you, Dr. King was far from being a conservative. His views were completely the opposite of Glenn Beck's. So for him to try to pass himself off as the next MLK is a slap in the face to Dr. King and his legacy, as well as a slap in the face to the Civil Rights Movement itself. He is not doing this to honor Dr. King or the movement. He's doing this for himself and to further his own political agenda, and don't let this fool brainwash you into believing otherwise.

Asderathos

I have not been on my "backup L'Chaim account" until Now [Yes right now], so that is why you have not gotten a reply from me. Due to the length of time since you replied to something I said and the fact that I do not recall what I said, I shall only address what you say rather than defend whatever it was that I said originally.

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There is nothing Glenn Beck has ever done or said to suggest he has not rejected with horror or comedy the notion of "Putting himself on the same tier with MLK". Those happenings used to falsely attribute such a thing are easily refuted. Firstly HE SPECIFICALLY OUT OF REVERENCE FOR DR. KING STOOD LOWER ON THE STEPS OF THE LINCOLN MEMORIAL. One claim is that he was "hijacking the dream" by having his "RESTORING HONOR" Rally on 8-28 the anniversary date of the Dream speech. It is not known for it, no one knew until a Beck hater brought it up. He was going to have it on 9-12, BUT that was the SABBATH, and 9-11 is PLAINLY off limits. The next available date was 8-28. [You have NO CLUE how Honorable Beck is, nor would you believe it of anyone short a Gandhi or King].

Beck has been accused of hijacking "Honor" in the same breath as 'king's dream'. As he has said I so too shall repeat it; THOSE THINGS BELONG TO EVERYONE!!! YOU CANNOT OWN A PRINCIPLE you can only share in it by LIVING IT. If you think the CONCPT of "CONTENT OF CHARACTER" cannot be honored without Affirmative action and reparations YOU ARE EXACTLY A 'POLITICAL TOTALITARIAN'!

I address MLK's flirting with Communism in a blog of mine:

http://asderathoslchaim.blogspot.com/2010/08/dr-king-hero-of-classical-liberalism.html

Some of the general thoughts will be duplicated here. Having listened to and watched every radio program and TV episode of glenn beck leading up to 8-28 I do not recall, him ever outright saying "MLK was a Conservative", now he might have round aboutly broken up idiotic misconceptions by saying something like "Much of MLK's message aligns with conservative values today" but Addressing the rest of your assertions will come down to defining terms.

CAPITALISM

Mlk rejected, Quote "Capitalism", but what did the term mean to him? Having read Marx and agreeing with the problems but not the solutions one might assert his definition could coinside with the sole pejorative alternate definition for the term wholly distinct from the realities of an actually free market.

[which necessitates equality in citizenship1] or taking note of the times MLK lived in one could assert that what was labeled or perceived as definitively "Capitalist" has nothing whatsoever to do with the Free Market System, but everything to do with deviations therefrom. Glenn Beck extols the necessity of Benjamin Franklin style culture of Christian charity for a free market to function. Currently as the most generous nation on the face of the earth I'm more worried about economic enslavement to the government than any delusion perception in lacking the former. American "Capitalism" has definitively ALWAYS been a socialism of one stripe or another, our overriding successes being overwhelmingly to the FREEDOMS of the Market. King was no economist, but his rejection of "Political Totalitarianism" coincides perfectly with Beck's rejection of socialism. Gandhi's Agrarian Socialism to which I believe MLK looked retained a VOLUNTARY NATURE which sharply conflicts with that which Beck and I reject in "Socialism" today.

SOCIAL JUSTICE

The term is used inanely to mean definitively several distinct things. 1. Individual Charity, 2. Ongoing Government redistribution to perceived victimhood classes from perceived opressor classes unto perpetuity, and 3. Equal justice as equal protection under the law, alternate subsets further distinguished by anti discrimination laws for govt. individuals and corporations to either only 'not discriminate' or to extremes of "Affirmative Action" mandates that staff or customers MUST "Look Like America" explicitly amounting to disparate treatment, which is the current law. It is also used to justify corporatism, as well promote Racialized representation slandering non democrats of that race as "Sell outs".

ANTI-WAR

Beck says GTFO. [although he doesn't curse]Of course our g[ing]tfo of Vietnam lead to massive slaughter, and would also with Afghanistan and Iraq, which is why Beck says blow s--- up and gtfo. Outspending the soviets freed up MILLIONS of people out of hard tyranny to the soft tyranny of Democratic Socialism

CONSERVATIVE

You haven't even got a clue what the word means in the first place do you? In your defense it is thrown around nearly with uniform idiocy. It is exactly the philosophy of Conserving the Constituion in the Context of history [and of course implementing govt adhearadly]. Arguing about whether tax dollars spent on a particular war, vs local implementations of social programs are not inherently antithetical to constitutionalism. Originally LIBERALS now referred to as "Classical Liberals" were traditionally non-

Interventionalists or Isolationists.

Glenn is not "try[ing] to pass himself off as the next MLK". If you had a single objective CLUE as to

who Glenn IS trying to be you'd slap yourself in the face right now. If King's legacy is what Al Sharpton says it is “The dream was to make everything equal in everybody's house.”, King would do better to be forgotten than remembered for it. And his detractor's would have been justified in calling him a communist AS THAT IS EXACTLY ITS DEFINITION. Dr. King in the tradition of Gandhi is honored and remembered for the peaceful political resistance in the face of injustice for the goal of civil equality, not any economic vision.

To reiterate; you have not the first inkling of a clue as to who Glenn Beck is and to anyone that does you are a laughing stock. Stop embarrassing yourself by trying to talk about that which you have been grotesquely misinformed BY ppl who hate Glenn.

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Merchan5967

So you asked me a few days ago to prove that Glenn Beck and MLK are total opposites (which is why it's completely wrong for him to hold his bullshit rally as if to say he's the next MLK). So you got your answer when I messaged you and I have yet to hear back from you. Did you read my message? You still think MLK was a "conservative" who represented conservative ideals? Do you still think Glenn Beck can rightfully say he has ANYTHING in common with Dr, King? Well?

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Asderathos

Maybe its just me... but I wouldn't call a Religious rally to Restore Honor "BS" without being able to describe the stated goals thereof and ideology exactly as described by its organizers. Can You?

Perfect Ideological alignments Between Dr. King and Conservativism just from what came up in my response to you [off the top of my head] rejection of political totalitarianism, Holding Content of Character as the measure of a man NOT the color of one's skin, & in some good measure the overlap of Anti-War and many conservatives non-interventionalism. As well as a rejection of "Capitalism" that is, [the Corporatism of Kings time called as such], and Communism. AND, non-violence as a method of political activism well demonstrated by the tea parties, but that's off the top of my head.

Merchan5967

AND I WILL SAVE THAT MESSAGE SO IF ANYONE WHO LOOKS AT THIS CHANNEL WANTS ME TO SEND IT TO THEM, AND DISPELL ONCE AND FOR ALL THE NOTION THAT MARTIN LUTHER KING WAS CONSERVATIVE, PLEASE ASK AND I WILL BE HAPPY TO DO SO. BECAUSE IN REALITY, THE IDEOLOGIES OF THE TEA PARTY AND DR. KING ARE ABOUT AS COMPATABLE AS OIL AND WATER

Asderathos

I am posting this in a blog which I will post the link of to my L'Chaim Channel.

To honor the good seen in a man one does not necessarily have to approve of everything that the man is ideologically, or no men could be honored at all.
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Tea Party and Gandhi's Hammer by ~Asderathos on deviant ART

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9/3/10

Obama and Lincoln

9-3-2010 [Lincoln] [LAW]

States do not have the right of Disunion by force of arms; any sweeping unlawful act by the federal govt (by branch, whole, or branch and compliance of the whole) would be an act of disunion on the Fed Govt.'s part not the states.The civil war was started by a series of illegal acts by slave holding states reacting to the lawful election of an Anti Slave Republican Party member who ran on a [legal & constitutional] gradual end to slavery, ticket.

The Confederacy's attempt of disunion was pre-emptive to any unlawful action by Govt. [any prospect of said action itself being a phantom of ignorance born of democrat party newspapers propagandizing against Lincoln contrary to his actual stances] Lincoln did not start the war.

The entire history of war shows that the seizure of property is 'lawful'. The Emancipation Proclamation was effective against "States in Rebellion" and thus a war act, Presidents holding special powers during a Civil War.

The current 100 year drift has been towards a disparate treatment comparable to those inequitable laws oppressing 'Englishman' laid upon the American Colonies by King George III.

King George and Jefferson Davis violated the letter of the law. Wilson Obama and Progressives in between, have so manipulated the perception of the law as to render it unrecognizable to the original spirit/intent. "The intention of the lawgiver is the law" -A. Lincoln [The lawgivers being the Founding Fathers]

Obama is not Lincoln, nor even Jefferson Davis, Obama is Wilson
One of Wilson's Men was Bernays who LITERALLY wrote the book "Propaganda".
Obama taught Saul Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals".

[its ideology not conspiracy] Implementing "Positive Rights" being the epitome of progressivism and the antithesis of Constitutional libertarianism. 'Positive rights' [to house job medical etc] necessarily indenturing any person of any means demonized as the oppressor to the servitude of the deified victim to the aggrandizement of Governmental powers.

Not all that is legal is just.
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Notes on Secession by Asderathos [Lincoln]

It is held that the Confederacy's attempt of disunion was pre-emptive to any unlawful action by Govt. and lacking any such sited responsible illegal cause for action, their Provocations and Usurpations cannot be defended.
Necessary lawful and Unanimous steps for disunion NOT Being necessary, based upon Acts (Exampled in history by The Stamp Act) as Illegal Self-Contradictory and Tyranical.

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The question becomes what is Illegal when laws contradict; particularly in regards to Constitutional Amendments as well as modern legislation presuming the position that Govt. is the source of Individual Rights rather than their mere protector (which impunes the justification for the American Revolution);

[Declaration]

Governments being instituted among Men deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, all men being created equal, that their being endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, among them being Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness (Property Excluded solely to avoid endorsing slavery)

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Should not the dismissal of founding documents of law by officialdom; having not been changed by due process but reinterpreted, demand by those very documents' logic an abolition or secession?
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Emancipation was disallowed by necessitous due process of law until the formation of and attack by the Illegal Confederacy, it being deemed necessary as a Wartime Measure; The 13th Amendment being the domestic change in rule of law; & the Emancipation Proclamation (Having no power of law within them) merely deemed escaped slaves from the Seceded States to be freed.

8/12/10

Dr. King Hero of Classical Liberalism

The context of history must inevitably slay our presumptions of the infallibility of deified Heroes, lest truth perish at the hands of some sacred idolatry [hopefully] contemptible to those it claims to honor.

Dr. Martin Luther King Jr., is being claimed, currently, as a ‘Socialist’ hero. Al Sharpton relatively recently said in reference to King’s I Have a Dream Speech: “The dream was to make everything equal in everybody's house.” This I take to mean economic equality. (Technically that isn’t socialism that’s communism [Which Dr. King was Outspoken Against])

But what did King have to say on the matter? He said “[Communism] should challenge every Christian---as it challenged me—to a growing concern about social justice. With all of its false assumptions and evil methods, communism grew as a protest against the hardships of the underprivileged.”

King concludes “that truth is found neither in Marxism nor in traditional capitalism. Each represents a partial truth.”

In "Stride" King referred to the twins of racial and economic injustice siting the poor working conditions of blacks working under oppressive whites; this in particular suggests a goal of equal opportunity.

In reading ‘Stride’ and listening to the “I have a dream speech” I can only find a respect and wishing for equal opportunity, and a civil and social racial equality with integration as the goal. A Racial Equality, an equal opportunity Equality not a Govt. redistribution Economic Equality…

But what to him was “Social Justice”? Certainly the only method to “Make everything equal in everybody’s house” is ONLY oppression/dictatorship, which obviously falls under “false assumptions and evil methods”.

In the context of history social justice to King (I Must conclude) meant Equal Justice juxtaposed to Disparate Treatment. Racial Disparate Treatment I must mention, was the law of the land then and although to a lesser extent still is to this day. (I’m talking about the law, not inequitable implementation), Its done Against Whites today.

There was at one time an American Nazi named Father Coughlin who published a Nazi Magazine entitled “Social Justice” meaning advocacy for eugenic racial preference.

Currently the trend is to use the term to mean Govt. Redistribution of wealth (Many Churches advocate it in place of individual charity).

Van Jones (Once Avowed Communist) takes for granted that Redistribution of wealth and Reparations were merely at the time an unattainable “radical kernel” of the civil rights movement. In his radio interview where he describes the difference between “Minimum Goals and Maximum Goals” he says:

“Right after Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat if the civil rights leaders had jumped out and said OK now we want Reparations for slavery, We want redistribution of all wealth. And we want to legalize mixed marriages. If they come out with a maximum program the very next day, they would have been laughed at.”

What was “Traditional Capitalism” to Dr. King? The United States has never been fully “Capitalist” in the sense of a market as being as free as it can be Slavery was a deviation from capitalism, Reconstruction was, Trust Busting Was, The Federal Reserve was. Segregation was, The New Deal, the Great Society etc.

We have always had some significant Govt. interference in the economy (which is what socialism IS) as well as equality under the law.

Ghandi advocated for a non-violent populist struggle for a voluntary agrarian socialism. King like

Gandhi, not being an economist, I must say; it seems to me, merely described his [seemingly mild] affinity to an amorphous utopianism which he did not truly understand (nor the alternative); shunning Govt.'s role in bringing any but civic equality.

In any case, it is from his advocacy of Active-Non-Violent Resistance and Christian Love/Agape[latin] in leadership of the struggle for Equal Justice that earns him a place among the Heroes of Classical Liberalism.

7/13/10

Questions

~QUESTIONS~

Did Mussolini have an overarching goal of his original socialism; for the achievement of which he made a shift towards pragmatism away from perceived "authenticism"?

How did Mussolini's 'any means necessary pragmatism' compare with Hitler's?, Alinsky's?

5/11/10

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Areopagitica by John Milton

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Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg

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CLASSICAL LIBERALISM

Kondratiev ~wave~
Democratic Republican Party
Capitalism ~la ze fair~
Cycle of Democracies (Tytler Attributed, & Founders Quotes + Lincoln's Applicable Expostulation)
40 Reasons To Keep & Bear Arms (Facts and Quotes)
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Adam Smith (Author of Wealth of Nations)
Thomas Paine (Author of Common Sense and The American Crisis)
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Ludwig Von Mises (The Mises Institute)
Ayn Rand (Author of Atlas Shrugged)
Ezra Taft Benson
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Milton Freidman (Author of Free To Choose)
Jonah Goldberg (Author of Liberal Fascism)
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